Comments on: The Manny Trade http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/ The daily Red Sox rants of Matt Levine...as read by Jon Miller Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:07:22 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Damon http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9242 Damon Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:29:38 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9242 I'm gonna take a wait and see approach with this trade. It's a new league and you gotta give Bay a chance to adjust. Manny was on his way out within in the next year or two and it didn't seem that the team chemistry was that great with him. Don't get me wrong, I love Manny and it would have been awsome to see him finish his career in Boston. One correction to the original post...Bay has 2 more homeruns than Manny. I’m gonna take a wait and see approach with this trade. It’s a new league and you gotta give Bay a chance to adjust. Manny was on his way out within in the next year or two and it didn’t seem that the team chemistry was that great with him. Don’t get me wrong, I love Manny and it would have been awsome to see him finish his career in Boston. One correction to the original post…Bay has 2 more homeruns than Manny.

]]> By: Ref http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9237 Ref Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:52:44 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9237 Manny is a hitting savant, true, but what's his utility if you never know when he's going to decide to pack it in for the night, or the series? What's his value as a teammate when he ducks Joba Chamberlain, lies down for Mariano Rivera, or punches the 60 + year old traveling secretary? He gave us some great moments when he was truly dialed in, but you never knew when they'd be. He yaps about wanting to "just play ball" but yanks everyone around when given the opportunity. He's Barry Bonds without the drugs. Manny is a hitting savant, true, but what’s his utility if you never know when he’s going to decide to pack it in for the night, or the series? What’s his value as a teammate when he ducks Joba Chamberlain, lies down for Mariano Rivera, or punches the 60 + year old traveling secretary? He gave us some great moments when he was truly dialed in, but you never knew when they’d be. He yaps about wanting to “just play ball” but yanks everyone around when given the opportunity. He’s Barry Bonds without the drugs.

]]> By: Matt http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9225 Matt Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:58:43 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9225 I really think, that Theo doesn't know what he's doing. Giving up Manny is exactly like the Lakers and Shaq. Manny never meant bad, only one two ocasions, he was like a kid playing in someone's backyard. Lets face it, the Red Sox just got a little boring. I hope the Sox can make it to the playoffs, but now I'm not holding my breath thats for sure. I really think, that Theo doesn’t know what he’s doing. Giving up Manny is exactly like the Lakers and Shaq. Manny never meant bad, only one two ocasions, he was like a kid playing in someone’s backyard. Lets face it, the Red Sox just got a little boring. I hope the Sox can make it to the playoffs, but now I’m not holding my breath thats for sure.

]]> By: AMS http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9224 AMS Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:42:01 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9224 Red Sox management cannot have it both ways and I hold them responsible. When Manny started being Manny and acting stupid they stood by and let him. No redirecting, no telling him not too, instead they did nothing but look the other way. Now, they bitch and moan about him & when in fact they never had the balls to do anything. If we could get away with the shit he did then hell, we would do it too. If management got their shit together maybe we would not have loss him. Red Sox management cannot have it both ways and I hold them responsible. When Manny started being Manny and acting stupid they stood by and let him. No redirecting, no telling him not too, instead they did nothing but look the other way. Now, they bitch and moan about him & when in fact they never had the balls to do anything. If we could get away with the shit he did then hell, we would do it too. If management got their shit together maybe we would not have loss him.

]]> By: WM http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9223 WM Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:27:15 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9223 I think in the long run this trade will be a good thing. Bay is young and on his way up. Manny was good but not as good as he has been in the past. Besides, what if he decided to play his grudge during a make-or-break inning of the post-season? The Sox management can't bank on a prima-donna attitude like that and they did what they had to do. As much as I'll miss Manny, I do think his leaving will be better for the team (except Ortiz) in the long run. It stinks that right when Ortiz is hitting his stride after his injury, we lose Manny, but oh well you can't have everything. I think in the long run this trade will be a good thing. Bay is young and on his way up. Manny was good but not as good as he has been in the past. Besides, what if he decided to play his grudge during a make-or-break inning of the post-season? The Sox management can’t bank on a prima-donna attitude like that and they did what they had to do. As much as I’ll miss Manny, I do think his leaving will be better for the team (except Ortiz) in the long run. It stinks that right when Ortiz is hitting his stride after his injury, we lose Manny, but oh well you can’t have everything.

]]> By: EatBoolz http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9222 EatBoolz Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:52:54 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9222 You know what I find fascinating? The countless times I've read since thge trade that the "Jason Bay era" begins tonight. HAHAHA! Seriously?!? You'd think Jesus Christ was strapping on a pair of cleats to take his place in left field. Give me a break. This is no "win" for the Sox, and it is in fact a win for every other team in the AL...especially the Yankees. Manny used to chew them up. Better hope Ortiz's wrist holds up. But than again, Jason Bay will bat 3rd and 4th in the lineup. After all, he walks on water You know what I find fascinating? The countless times I’ve read since thge trade that the “Jason Bay era” begins tonight. HAHAHA! Seriously?!? You’d think Jesus Christ was strapping on a pair of cleats to take his place in left field. Give me a break. This is no “win” for the Sox, and it is in fact a win for every other team in the AL…especially the Yankees. Manny used to chew them up. Better hope Ortiz’s wrist holds up. But than again, Jason Bay will bat 3rd and 4th in the lineup. After all, he walks on water

]]> By: Ken G http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9221 Ken G Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:55:27 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9221 We Sox fans are the big losers here- we all love the Sox and we all wanted them to repeat... chances of that happening now are pretty slim. But would they have made that trade had they been playing well since the all star break? Probably not, as the pressure would have been on Theo to keep Manny, especially since Big Papi was just getting back. Amazing how a guy making 20mm a year can get away with "dogging it" for so long. It is also a shame that Theo's sole focus on trading Manny distracted him from trying to upgrade the bullpen by trade for the stretch drive. Makes you wonder if the Sox are throwing in the towel for 2008. We Sox fans are the big losers here- we all love the Sox and we all wanted them to repeat… chances of that happening now are pretty slim. But would they have made that trade had they been playing well since the all star break? Probably not, as the pressure would have been on Theo to keep Manny, especially since Big Papi was just getting back.

Amazing how a guy making 20mm a year can get away with “dogging it” for so long.

It is also a shame that Theo’s sole focus on trading Manny distracted him from trying to upgrade the bullpen by trade for the stretch drive. Makes you wonder if the Sox are throwing in the towel for 2008.

]]> By: tc http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9220 tc Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:46:03 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9220 manny was too much of a distraction in the clubhouse on many occasions, everyone felt this way when we traded nomar, and we won another world series, manny hasnt been manny the past few years, hes been a 30 HR 100 RBI guy, and there are others... like bay, he may not have a reputation as a clutch hitter, but we will just have to wait and see, hes 29, and hes signed through next year, unlike manny, we actually got something for him.. who knows, Bay could be the next big thing. manny was too much of a distraction in the clubhouse on many occasions, everyone felt this way when we traded nomar, and we won another world series, manny hasnt been manny the past few years, hes been a 30 HR 100 RBI guy, and there are others… like bay, he may not have a reputation as a clutch hitter, but we will just have to wait and see, hes 29, and hes signed through next year, unlike manny, we actually got something for him.. who knows, Bay could be the next big thing.

]]> By: Matt http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9219 Matt Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:30:40 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9219 Well, the Sox will probably bring up either Chris Smith, who performed well in his cup of coffee with the big club this season (6.1IP, 3H, 2ER, 4BB, 4K) or David Aardsma who is currently on the DL. In fact, when the Sox brought up Hansen last time it was because Aardsma went on the DL. It's certainly no upgrade in the manner that Damaso Marte would have been, but it's not like we're just going to put AAers in there. Well, the Sox will probably bring up either Chris Smith, who performed well in his cup of coffee with the big club this season (6.1IP, 3H, 2ER, 4BB, 4K) or David Aardsma who is currently on the DL. In fact, when the Sox brought up Hansen last time it was because Aardsma went on the DL. It’s certainly no upgrade in the manner that Damaso Marte would have been, but it’s not like we’re just going to put AAers in there.

]]> By: Matt E. http://www.dirtywatah.com/2008/07/the-manny-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-9218 Matt E. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:20:28 +0000 http://www.dirtywatah.com/?p=539#comment-9218 I think the Manny for Bay deal will be pretty much a wash when all is said and done. The problem I have is that we didn't address a need in the bullpen at all, we might have even made it worse. I've heard that this is a classic case of addition by subtraction, but the way I see it, I'd rather have Hansen then throw some young kid in the fire in the midst of a pennant race. I think the Manny for Bay deal will be pretty much a wash when all is said and done. The problem I have is that we didn’t address a need in the bullpen at all, we might have even made it worse. I’ve heard that this is a classic case of addition by subtraction, but the way I see it, I’d rather have Hansen then throw some young kid in the fire in the midst of a pennant race.

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